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Bowling for Columbine did it to the gun culture. Super Size Me did it to fast food. Now The God Who Wasn't There does it to religion.
Holding modern Christianity up to a bright spotlight, this bold new film demands answers to the questions few dare to ask. Your guide through the world of Christendom is former fundamentalist Brian Flemming, who unflinchingly examines believers and the origins of their beliefs. He gets help from such luminaries as esteemed folklorist Alan Dundes ( Holy Writ as Oral Lit ), Jesus Seminar fellow Robert M. Price ( Deconstructing Jesus ) and neuroscientist Sam Harris ( The End of Faith ).
Along with Brian, you will discover:
• The early founders of Christianity seem wholly unaware of the idea of a human Jesus
• The Jesus passed down to us in the gospels bears a striking resemblance to other ancient heros and the figureheads of pagan savior cults
• Contemporary Christians are largely ignorant of the origins of their religion
• Christianity is as obsessed with blood and violence now as it was in the 1 st century
• Fundamentalism is as strong today as it ever has been, with an alarming 44% of Americans believing Jesus will return to Earth within the next 50 years
• And God simply isn't there
Brian Flemming also explores his own experiences within fundamentalist Christianity at a cult-like school that taught him how how and what to believe. Ultimately, he confronts the man in charge of educating the school's 1800 students, and this superintendent's inability to justify what he teaches is revealing and distressing.
"Dazzling motion graphics and a sweeping soundtrack by DJ Madson help tell this tale of one person's journey from the darkness of first- century thinking to the enlightenment of reason."
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PEOPLE IN THE MOVIE:
SCOTT BUTCHER is the creator of RaptureLetters.com. A general contractor, he lives in Southern California with his family.
RICHARD CARRIER is a philosopher and historian studying ancient science at Columbia University in New York, where he received a Masters degree and a Master of Philosophy in ancient history and is working on his Ph.D. He previously graduated Phi Beta Kappa at UC Berkeley. His articles have been published in Biology & Philosophy, The History Teacher, German Studies Review, The Skeptical Inquirer, and the Encyclopedia of the Ancient World. He is a veteran of the United States Coast Guard and served as Editor in Chief of the Secular Web for several years. His latest book is Sense and Goodness Without God .
ALAN DUNDES died six weeks after being interviewed for The God Who Wasn’t There . An anthropologist and folklorist, he was Professor of Folklore and Anthropology at the University of California, Berkeley. In 1993, he became the first American to win the Pitre Prize's Sigillo d'Oro, the top international prize in folklore and ethnography. His books include: The Morphology of North American Indian Folktales (1964); Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder: A Study of German National Character Through Folklore (1984); Cracking Jokes: Studies of Sick Humor Cycles and Stereotypes (1987) and Folklore Matters (1989). One of the most loved professors at Berkeley, in 1994 Dundes won the Distinguished Teacher Award, given to one professor each year by the students and staff of Berkeley.
SAM HARRIS , currently completing a Ph.D. in neuroscience, is one of the most compelling writers and speakers on the subject of religious belief. Writing unflinchingly about the dangers of Christianity, Islam and other religions in his book The End of Faith , Harris won rave reviews and is changing the terms of debate on the subjects he addresses. "Harris writes what a sizable number of us think, but few are willing to say in contemporary America"-- NY Times
BARBARA AND DAVID P. MIKKELSON are the founders of the Urban Legends Reference Pages at snopes.com. Snopes is generally considered the go-to source when you want to know whether an urban legend is true or false. But it is also a fine collection of writings from two dedicated and esteemed modern folklorists.
ROBERT M. PRICE is Professor of Biblical Criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute as well as the editor of The Journal of Higher Criticism . His books include Beyond Born Again , The Widow Traditions in Luke-Acts: A Feminist-Critical Scrutiny , Deconstructing Jesus , and The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man. Forthcoming titles are The Crisis of Biblical Authority , Jesus Christ Superstar: A Redactional Study of a Modern Gospel , The Da Vinci Fraud and The Amazing Colossal Apostle .
DR. RONALD SIPUS is superintendent of Village Christian Schools in Sun Valley, California. He did not want his interview used in this documentary.
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RICHARD DAWKINS , possibly the world’s most famous atheist, is the author of a number of internationally best-selling books about evolutionary biology including The Selfish Gene (1976; second edition, 1989), The Extended Phenotype (1982), The Blind Watchmaker (1986), River Out of Eden (1995), Climbing Mount Improbable (1996), and Unweaving the Rainbow (1998).
EARL DOHERTY is a modern pioneer of the Jesus Myth theory. His 1999 book The Jesus Puzzle lays out in painstaking detail the evidence for a mythical Christ, with scholarship that to this day remains without refutation.
THE RAVING ATHEIST maintains a popular weblog at ravingatheist.com
2009-06-03 Catholic Exchange
By Sr. Helena Burns
This one-hour documentary was released in 2005, but seems to be enjoying a resurgence in popularity. (Just saw a banner ad for it on The Huffington Post.) Created by Brian Flemming, who attended a fundamentalist Christian school in California as a child, calls his work “a search for Jesus.” His conclusion is that Christianity is bunk, which is all well and good, except that his “research” is, for the most part, based on bunk and astonishingly gross inaccuracies. The documentary is mildly witty, but put together with a very simple, pleasing aesthetic that makes it very easy to watch.
Before I review the DVD, let me say that I feel for Brian who felt terrorized as a child by the threat of damnation he was taught at school. Being a smart kid, he knew Jesus would forgive everything except the “sin against the Holy Spirit,” which was not well explained to him. So, naturally, when he doubted the Holy Spirit, he felt he was going to hell. I think a lot of kids and adults have gone through scrupulous periods in their lives (mostly from poor teaching), but we need to overcome them—as Brian did—and learn something from this process about the true nature of God. God is love. God is mercy. God desires our salvation more than we do. His will is a saving will. I think that once we come to that, we break with our unhealthy fears of the past, get over it, and move on. This is part of maturation.
So what is this unforgivable “sin against the Holy Spirit”? Simply that we reject God’s mercy. God does not force anything on us. We are free. God’s forgiveness is no good to us if we don’t accept it. The Catholic Church helpfully lists the most common ways we can reject or thwart God’s mercy. (Yes! We can thwart God’s saving will in our regard! We are more powerful than God! But He will never stop loving us, even if we’re in hell.) 1) resisting the known truth 2) obstinacy in sinning 3) final impenitence 4) despair 5) presumption 6) [this one I don't totally understand:] envy of the graces received by others. (People smarter than I could explain this, but I’ll take a stab: Envy of mankind—which was Satan’s big problem in the Garden after Pride caused him to fall from heaven—was a total lack of trust in God. Envy says: God is not good in my regard, God can’t be trusted in my regard, and wouldn’t this just totally rupture our entire relationship with Him?)
Brian starts off with: “Christianity was wrong about the solar system. What else might it be wrong about?” Oh dear, oh dear. So, I should start my science documentary with “Science was wrong about blood-letting and Earth being flat. What else might it be wrong about?” Nicholas Copernicus, who started the “Copernican revolution”—the earth revolves around sun, not vice versa—was a Roman Catholic Polish priest. Yes, that’s Father Copernicus to you. (Just as the Big Bang Theory was posited by a French priest, Father Georges Lemaitre.) Flemming, of course, is referring to the “Galileo Affair,” which, without even looking, I’m sure Wikipedia treats fairly. JP2G apologized profusely for this gaffe.
Let us remember that it wasn’t just “Christianity,” but the whole world who “kept up” with science, such as it was, pre-modern and modern. When startling new findings were proposed/discovered, there was always some resistance from all quarters. Science keeps changing its story, or rather, refining it, discovering new layers, depths, etc. So does Christianity in its own way: “development of doctrine,” nuance, better understandings/explanations for God’s immutable reality/truth. Why is it that only science is allowed to make boo-boos and claim infallibility (at the same time)?
SOME ITEMS IN THE DOC THAT ARE JUST WRONG:
>Brian calls Charles Manson and other mentally ill or criminally insane people “Christians.”
>Brian makes fun of the victims of the Waco massacre, calling them “86 crispy fans” of the rapture
>Brian dates the writing of the Gospels much later than their actual writing because the Gospel of Mark mentions the destruction of the Temple (70 AD). But this was a prediction of the Temple’s destruction.
>Jesus died in 33 AD (Nope—’cause he was born about 6 BC! Everyone knew that the crazy monk who made our calendar was off by a few years. Even his contemporaries. But he wouldn’t listen.)
>Brian puts forth all kinds of undocumented claims: Jesus may have died before A.D., Everyone forgot about Jesus after he died until Paul came along. (NO mention of the Apostles missionary work, the Church in Rome, etc.)
>Brian ignores ALL extra-biblical documents and sources around the time of Jesus like the Jewish historian Josephus, official Roman documents, etc. All he mentions are Gnostic sources. And Gnosticism is not Christianity. It’s a completely different religion.
>Atheist author Sam Harris chillingly states: You can’t just say that human life is sacred and so it is, based on your religious beliefs. [I hope he thinks that secular humanists could say it based on their humanism and based on the fact that we ARE human and we love our species or something. I hope he thinks human life is special and worth something!]
>There are, like, NO normal Christians in the doc, except some sweet (and made to look ignorant because they possibly were) Billy Graham Crusade go-ers. And no Catholics who would tell ya in no uncertain terms that faith and reason are BFFs! Brian shows lots of clips from rabid, bigoted anchormen-hair televangelists from the 70’s and 80’s.
>Like Dawkins, Brian reads the Bible at face value and concludes that God is a tyrannical, homophobic, misogynist, jealous, mean, murderous despot. He says the “God hates Fags” wackos are right. If you’re a good believer, you should be stoning sinners. “Moderate Christianity makes no sense.” Actually, Christianity makes no sense at all except from the inside, so I can totally see how he would come to this conclusion from the outside. This also why “Sola Scriptura” is impossible. We need the Church to explain the Scriptures to us: What belongs to the past, what is still in vogue, how God has changed in His ways of dealing with His people. That’s also why the New Testament, the New Covenant, is truly new. (Brian lumps the Hebrew Scriptures [Old Testament] with the New.)
>Brian states that Paul only preached a heavenly Jesus, not an earthly one, as though Paul didn’t know Jesus had an earthly life. It was common first century preaching to emphasize the divinity of Jesus. Also, the Gospels took care of meticulously covering Jesus’ “earthly” life. In Paul, what we have is follow-up pastoral letters, not his original kerygma (first preaching of the Gospel to a people). Just because Paul didn’t talk about “Mary and Joseph” doesn’t mean he “didn’t know” about them! Paul says what he needs to about Jesus’ lineage (of David), the fact that He was “true man” (”born of a woman, under the Law”–Galatians 4:4). Also, the people Paul was talking to–at least in Jerusalem–knew Jesus themselves! (1 Corinthians 15:6)
SOME THINGS IN THE DOC THAT ARE JUST RIGHT:
>Clips from a delightful 1905 silent movie of the Life of Christ kind of steal the whole show. Love those Victorian angels!
>Faith and reason SHOULD go together! “If faith does not think, it is nothing.” –St. Augustine.
>Atheist author Sam Harris is right: Dogmas SHOULD be examined critically. (Otherwise you’re in a cult. As I tell the teens: if any religion—or anyone else—tells you not to think, or they’ll do your thinking for you: RUN!! It’s not of God who is the donor of our brains and expects a return on His investment.) To just throw something into the realm of faith or belief does not make it out of bounds or a “conversation stopper.”
>The Christian story–what God did in Jesus Christ–isn’t completely, totally different from other ancient and contemporaneous myths. Why not? 1) Because this is God’s world. There are inklings of God everywhere, including in the psyches of mythmakers, cultures, religions, the human heart. There are “seeds of the Gospel” everywhere. 2) God is all about Incarnation—coming into what IS. 3) Jesus wasn’t as interested in being intelligible to Gentiles as to the Jews. And the Jews had a very unique God story. We Christians are the “wild olive” grafted onto the domestic olive tree that is Judaism. We cannot evangelize Christ without evangelizing the history of God in Israel. “Spiritually, we are all Semites.” –Pius XII 4) Yes, the difference with this “myth” is that it’s true 5) Yes, Satan likes to set up his bogus, counterfeit, sham, reverse-perverse, lookalike, parody kingdom everywhere (not that all others myths/religions are demonic by any means, but Satan likes to get his tail into the panoply of religions and multiply, confuse, divide and conquer). Check out the Book of Revelation for Satan’s Happy Palace that looks suspiciously like the Lamb’s.
>Yes, some of the Bible is folklore. Inspired folklore.
| 2009-05-21 Titus
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The confounding cast in this movie is dazzling: Brian Flemming, Robert M. Price, Richard Carrier, Sam Harris, Ronald Sipus
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Bowling for Columbine did it to the gun culture. Super Size Me did it to fast food. Now The God Who Wasn’t There does it to religion.
Holding modern Christianity up to a bright spotlight, this eye-opening documentary asks the qustions few dare to ask. “Did Jesus even exist?” is just the beginning for The God Who Wasn’t There. Your guide through the world of Christendom is former fundamentalist Brian Flemming, joined by such luminaries as Jesus Seminar fellow Robert M. Price, author Sam Harris and historian Richard Carrier.
In addition to the film, which won the Best Documentary award at the 2005 Grassroots Cinema Film Festival, this feature-packed DVD includes:
-Special commentary tracks with Richard Dawkins and Earl Doherty
-Over one hour of compelling additional interview footage
-An in-depth Web-enabled slide show
-Music from the soundtrack
-Bios of all participants
This provocative DVD takes off the gloves and gives religion an unprecedented, no-holds-barred examination. So hold on to your faith. It’s in for a bumpy ride.
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